is anyone else worried about what the government is currently doing

[J0sh]

Street Camera = like 3 frames per second. And I'm sure if it actually were a plane(I don't know, don't really care) it(the street cam) probably wouldn't have caught it.

One of the cameras from the surrounding buildings / businesses would have caught it.


If they wanted to prove it once and for all, they'd release all of the tapes, what do they have to hide?

[Aaron]

Really you guys are talking about 911? there needs nothing to be talked about lol...OBVIOUS it was an inside job. "Patriots" of the United States Incorporated will never believe us so its no use. I have shown countless evidence/videos/sites to my co workers and they just say all the sites are fake plus 911 is on the 2000 20 dollar bills...they told us it was happening. AND IRONICALLY if you fold the one dollar bill a certain way you spell osamas name...

[scottdh20]

Google new world order.....its all over the place....the best place to hide something is in plain site....its all there in black and white for all to see....people have just been brainwashed into being blind....subliminal messages are everwhere.....they do it to desenceitize and and keep you from seeingg what's really staring you in the face

[Ecomark]

so did "they" run in and throw around a bunch of airplane wreckage when no one was looking http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/...s/Pentagon.htm

Those are fake. Those are, in no way, parts of the plane they claim slammed into the Pentagon. You keep referring to that site like it's your bible. Maybe it's time you did some research and did your own digging.

[SR*77]

actually thats the first time I mentioned that site........or is it.............. this post is an inside job

Big Plane, Small Holes
Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile—part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."


Hole Truth: Flight 77's landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon's Ring C. (Photograph by Department of Defense)FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide—not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.


Here's a list of eye witnesses and their stories, some from on the grounds some stuck in traffic by the Pentagon.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html

[revhardEK9]

Do I think 911 was an inside job also...yes. Common sense tells you that things dont add up. IMO a tomahawk hit the pentagon or some sort of rocket/missile projectile. And building 7 is not even mentioned in the 911 commission report. Cell phone calls made by passengers to loved ones on a plane 30,000 feet in the air...come on?!?! But people have their own opinions and I respect that.

But getting tothe more important issue of how you're going to protect yourself when Armageddon finally does come? That is the question? No, I don't believe that aliens will attack. No, I don't believe that the sun will explode and we will turn to dust. I believe that major wars and depression will be our demise. Famine, genocide and military control. Fiat currency has ALWAYS failed. The track record has been roughly 30-40 years before hyperinflation and total chaos. Our currency was removed from the gold standard in 1971. So do the math using todays date. The only way things have sort of held together was the devaluing of the dollar.

Over the last 5 years. Studying economics has taken over my life. I invest every last penny into something and keep virtually no money in savings. Since 2008, most people lost 43-50% in their 401k's during the housing bubble. Yes it rebounded and people made returns on their investments eventually but that was in the form of help from the government (printing money) to keep things solvent. I have been extremely bullish on precious metal investing over the last few years and my returns have been outstanding. People at work call me the silver king haha. If you sit down and do your research there is money to be made in a downward spiral of a market. 4th quarter GDP numbers were pathetic and they will continue to go down. The dollar is worth an outstanding 78 cents today.

The U.S government is lying to you about the unemployment numbers. They are suppressed by people who have ran out of unemployment benefits, people who have just reached retirement age to collect into their 401's, people tired of looking and holiday seasonal work. The government is also telling you that inflation is not a problem and that it's actually going down. Well, they are correct to a point. Commodities such as corn, wheat, precious metals and oil have been removed from the list. So when the list only includes electronics, LED TV's and other bullshit items then yes, inflation has gone down. I bought my brand new LED 60" Samsung for $2500 a few years back and now you can get one for $1500 or less. But peanut butter, oil and things we REALLY need have all doubled or tripled. I can go on and on. I'm not giving financial advise I'm just simply trying to educate people to just open their eyes and look at the big picture. The only advise I'll give is what I am doing to prepare for hyperinflation. If you start now you may get through it. The list goes as follows:

1) Have real money not FIAT. If you dont understand what that means do your research.
2) Have some form of protection. If you have firearms keep them and make sure they are in proper working condition. Dont forget rounds!!!
3) Every time you grocery shop make it a point to purchase $10 in canned goods for food storage and always have plenty of water in storage and cycle it through out the course of use. Rice and beans will not be good enough as our stomachs are not used to a diet like that everyday.
4) Plant your own food. Whether its a lot or a little. Something is better than nothing.
5) Purchase medications, pain killers, anti biotics, allergy medicine NOW...and keep them stored safely.
6) Live within your means. Don't go out and buy a 2000 sq ft house and you're the only person living in it. Use the money saved for other investments and opportunities. That goes for a brand new car or that hot rod you've been wanting.

These are some of the things I do and rules I follow. I may get criticized and made fun of but reality is if you are not prepared you will lose the game. I'm 32 years old and I have to protect my assets and my life. Nobody else will. I really think the money printing and soon monetary chaos in the United States is vast approaching and quite possibly here already. QE3 will be implemented sometime this upcoming week or next. We had a huge breakout in the market and now it's going to tumble. But don't wait for the announcement as it will be implemented before it is made public to ensure the market doesnt collapse. They want and will attempt to keep markets on life support because it is an election year. Would it be better to be safe than sorry? I sure think so. You dont go to the race track with out spare parts and ruin your weekend so get prepared. If NOTHING happens then nothing happens. But it's NOT looking good folks.

[J0sh]

actually thats the first time I mentioned that site........or is it.............. this post is an inside job

Big Plane, Small Holes
Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile—part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."


Hole Truth: Flight 77's landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon's Ring C. (Photograph by Department of Defense)FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide—not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.


Here's a list of eye witnesses and their stories, some from on the grounds some stuck in traffic by the Pentagon.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html

Your argument is starting to seem more like trolling than anything (I believe in these instances, it'd be a "shill?" ), imo because honestly, none of the articles / websites or anything you're posting have answered any of the questions I posted. "A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building" OK, so where are the wings? Where is the tail section? Where are the engines? Where are any parts large enough that might need more than hands to be carried away? Bodies of passengers? Any blood at all? How didn't those street lights do any damage (or maybe rip off the wing) to the plane?


And as stated, there are eye witnesses that saw a military helicopter, there are some who saw a C130.. Can't just choose to acknowledge some and refuse to acknowledge others because it's what the main stream media presented people with that day.

Finally, if the official story is true, why don't they release all of the video evidence that would clear it all up?

Let me know when you can specifically answer my questions, instead of trying to trail off.

PS: This isn't "the 9/11 thread." so let's wrap it up.

[scottdh20]

Word its not....it was part of the "plan".....but not really what this thread is about ...it does play into it

The "government" aka big banks can do whatever they want.....they are wolf in sheeps cothing and most people are to ignorent to see it

[scottdh20]

If I reach one person who will open there eyes I feel I am making a difference

If you are open to looking at somethings I want you to YouTube the federal reserve .....there are tons of videos out there ....start there

[J0sh]

Xceed isn't exactly the place to spread the 'conspiracy seed" around. Check out my Occupy thread, the Extraterrestrial thread, etc.

SR_77, I don't mean to be an a-hole, but do you get paid to post pro-government rhetoric? You back up the federal gov like it's your job!

[Aaron]

Again. why are we talking about 911. pointless talk. that happened over 10 years ago. everything you have said about 911 has been said before and we all know it. those who dont want to believe it wont....your wasting your time talking about that when something much larger is at hand. lol silly people

As far as what revhardek9 said, i agree 110% and am on the exact same page.

[Ecomark]

SR_77, I don't mean to be an a-hole, but do you get paid to post pro-government rhetoric? You back up the federal gov like it's your job!

SR∆77, I don't care how I come across. It's clear that you so blindly follow others. You should use all this energy with making up your own mind.

I'm alright with the patriots. They can have their pro'merica ignorance. I'm not so trusting.

[Stock Talon]

SR∆77, I don't care how I come across. It's clear that you so blindly follow others. You should use all this energy with making up your own mind.

I'm alright with the patriots. They can have their pro'merica ignorance. I'm not so trusting.

Im very pro-America but, in the sense of how this country use to be before our time. When there was the American dream and a chance to succeed.

[TaylorMade]

Your argument is starting to seem more like trolling than anything (I believe in these instances, it'd be a "shill?" ), imo because honestly, none of the articles / websites or anything you're posting have answered any of the questions I posted. "A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building" OK, so where are the wings? Where is the tail section? Where are the engines? Where are any parts large enough that might need more than hands to be carried away? Bodies of passengers? Any blood at all? How didn't those street lights do any damage (or maybe rip off the wing) to the plane?


And as stated, there are eye witnesses that saw a military helicopter, there are some who saw a C130.. Can't just choose to acknowledge some and refuse to acknowledge others because it's what the main stream media presented people with that day.

Finally, if the official story is true, why don't they release all of the video evidence that would clear it all up?

Let me know when you can specifically answer my questions, instead of trying to trail off.

PS: This isn't "the 9/11 thread." so let's wrap it up.

Well in this theory, I can say I witnessed a meteor hit the pentagon...Eye witnesses are completely useless. Their stories are 95% likely to be fake. As much as I <3 you Josh, this argument is effed in my mind.

As you said, it doesn't poke a cartoon sized hole in a "CONCRETE REINFORCED BUILDING"...Um that pretty much gives you the answer to where your tail, wings, and stuff is.... Erm, I'm sure it was more than concrete in that building. And if a plane did hit that building, it was probably going full speed and to hit something like that would dissinigrate(butchered the spelling).

Anyway. Do not care. We're all gonna die in December....Now, I'm gonna go do hood rat things with my frands.

[SR*77]

Wow, its amazing how pissed people get over an conspiracy thread on a automotive website. Take a fuckin breath and step away from the computer. Josh the street light argument is pretty weak, street lights are made to topple over, lets not forget the size of the plane, the weight, the speed, and where it hit the light pole. Like turk mentioned most of those parts ripped apart and ended up in the building. Blood is going to be evaporated due to the burning jet fuel, along with bodies being burned beyond recognition. I'll try to take on al your arguments but its easier to direct you to websites that have all the information you would need.

Yes, I am so pro government, because I believe that a group of pissed off muslim extremists used our weak security screening to sneak box cutters on some planes, hijack them, and then fly them into the World Trade Center ( a building they tried to blow up in 93), the Pentagon, and possibly the White House (flight 93). This is part of what Dr. Paul would call blow back.

I love watching the mental gymnastics people pull in conspiracy theories. Sometimes you guys remind me of those Christians that say dinosaur bones are planted.

You guys can have the last word on 9-11 I'm onto Obama being a puppet and other government b.s.

[Aaron]

Dinosaur bones were planted? thats the best one ive ever heard haha!

[Aaron]

Let him be pro government all he wants. we know it was an inside job thats why i said NOT to bring it up...some people get butt sore about our own government fucking us....

[TaylorMade]

Let him be pro government all he wants. we know it was an inside job thats why i said NOT to bring it up...some people get butt sore about our own government fucking us....

Same goes to you. I <3 you, but I'm gonna need some proof of this "inside job". Other than eye witnesses, tin-foil hat wearing people, ect....

[J0sh]

[excoupe95]

this shit scares me. only because i know its true.