Reply With QuotePossible Charity cause for Spring BBQ? Last year we did the support for the tsunami, I vote supporting this for a 2012 Spring BBQ 'fundraiser'
Well, nobody else has yet, might as well get the ball rolling.
Copied from me sharing the video on my facebook:
Well, one person shared this, didnt care. 3 did, meh. 6 did, ok, I'll watch it.
Damn activists that I normally hate and tell them to quit complaining actually did something right. Not pissing and moaning so much about our policy, but why our nation and government hasnt done anything to stop something like this. Is it more of a job for the UN? yeah, guess so. What happened to being 'MURICA, the superpower of the world. Fear of our power holds back a lot of what could happen. Now, Im not saying a war is a good idea, or that we should just go killing these people, but the force and tact of the US Army could get this done in a week. Shit, we found Osama, we can do anything. Yeah, there are more important things to be worried about now, but this shouldnt be forgetten about. Get this SOB, Essentially the only difference between him and every terrorist we've fought against is a stick of C4 up someones ass that sat down in a book store. I hate stupid 'causes' and 'movements' especially when its something that holds no bearing on how my day goes (I know, im that American A-hole) but this I'll support.
'MERICA, FUCK YEAH.
(lols at them taking their propaganda action on 4/20)
_Harrison
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Possible Charity cause for Spring BBQ? Last year we did the support for the tsunami, I vote supporting this for a 2012 Spring BBQ 'fundraiser'
_Harrison
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1987 BMW 325ic - Daily
Feel free to use what I said, though my wording is not the best. Typing sucks lol. Spread it around the internet like stupid viral videos, like we did with ytmnd. 4chan. Any of the pointless shit we spread like a disease, spread this with a purpose.
_Harrison
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Originally Posted by projekt-H
This heaping piece of shit Kony needs to get sniped in this fucking face. When I learned about Invisible Children a few months back in school, everyone was like ehh w/e. All of a sudden it has become a huge deal as it should be. No one deserves this.
Its already double in support. Let's spread this like Bao spreads.... whatever he's got by now
_Harrison
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This is bullshit. It's a huge crock. Seriously.
First off, i cut the video short because of how much i do not care. Why should i care about some kids in a 3rd world country? Because my country is privileged? I work hard for what i have, and i don't plan on spending it. It's not racist, it's not greed. Do you know how many AMERICAN kids go hungry every night? Or kids who have no home to sleep in? Surely not the numbers in Africa, but we have our own battles to fight HERE. You know what, let them deal with it. They have their problems and we have ours. This kinda crap dosn't just happen in Africa, but in places much closer to home such as Mexico. Surely not to this extreme, but it happens. What really baffles me, something i truly don't understand is that you have what did he say over 30,000 armed kids? Umm.... Sounds like if these kids had any sense they would just form a mutiny?
http://resistapathy.tumblr.com/post/...e-children-inc
Read that, it's a counterpoint. Lets worry about our problems here first. I won't loose a minute of sleep over this.
We wont help our own country but, have to help every other country? Welcome to one reason this country is in so much debt.
I just want to hug you for this.
Josh
Yer a wizard, Harry
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"What is the lowest price you will take for your parts?"
Motherfucker, what is the highest price you are willing to pay?
You guys missed the entire point. Of course, I'm not surprised, this is Xceed. Where you live shouldn't determine whether you live. Every single country has problems of their own. As long as we have the top 1% running this damn country, our problems here will never be fixed. This is more about creating awareness. For those of you to sit at your little computers, with your little selfish attitudes, I hope at some point in your lives, that you grow up. There's issues all over the world, and there are issues that the entire world needs to know about before something can be done to stop it. You want to sit there and bitch about kids going hungry? Get the fuck out of your chair, and go volunteer at a fucking soup kitchen. Our issues, in our own country, will not stop as long as there are people like you guys only giving a flying fuck about yourselves.
I need to get on this guys high horse...
Josh
Yer a wizard, Harry
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWDPlease don't feed the trolls
It may seem that way when I'm surrounded by morons. I, actually, have grown up and see the issues we face as a society and as a planet. I don't expect anyone here to do that. Go back to looking at Honda parts you cannot afford on the internet.
Ok, Mr. Grown up. What exactly have you done to correct these issues?
Oh, and Honda's are gay...
Josh
Yer a wizard, Harry
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWDPlease don't feed the trolls
Oh and by the way.
You realize that was made in 2004, Kony had been defeated in 2003. Uganda has been in peace talks since then receiving aid from Americans and UNICEF. The last rebellion was 2004, the government contained it, it's done. The government is still corrupted, but the people are taken care of. Kony's not the leader, he's not doing anything anymore, you're about 9 years too late to care.
Josh
Yer a wizard, Harry
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWDPlease don't feed the trolls
Again, the point, you missed it. I can't stand how everyone here is a self-absorbed cock muncher. I haven't done anything with this because I've been busy branching out Occupy LA. I get a group together every week and we go out and pick up trash for about 6 hours. Following that, we go to Skid row in downtown LA and we give homeless people food, water, and blankets. The goal is to start turning around our own neighborhoods, then branch out to other regions.
So what would you do if you were like 6 years old and these people broke into your home, handed you a gun/knife, and forced you to kill your own parents? They do this to make these kids fearless and crush any last emotions/feelings they may have. Could the kids go ahead and overthrow Kony? Yeah sure, but they are usually taken when they are young and Kony ends up being their only fatherly figure, so they kind of end up becoming attached. Also, hardships American kids face is nothing compared to what these kids go through. Kids in America are free and have the opportunity to make something of themselves. These kids are completely screwed and have no chance unless they snap out of it or someone steps in and knocks Kony the fuck out.
While i completely agree with you, i feel your previous post was directed towards me. Not to say you didn't understand me, but maybe some people didn't. Person who posted above me. ^
I am aware.
I do not care.
Again, just stating facts that i already know for shock value don't help this cause for me. Big deal. Like Mark said, go to a soup kitchen and help our people here FIRST. I do, i spent many many hours with the salvation army for one. As well as my fair share of community service. Though i don't donate money, because i feel that again, like Mark said. Us in America have opportunity, that means the opportunity to go out, get a job, and make money for myself. I'll donate actual cash to veterans, firemen, ect. But that's about the extent of it. Basically what i'm saying is, if i get nothing out of sending money or help to these people. Because you know what, if we were in their situation, you think we would get charity from them?
Also, for the record. What is happening over seas, and out of this country is terrible. Really some bad things happen, but you know what it's out of our control and sometimes it should stay like that.
While we're at it.
Out of the 4 forums i'm reading this on, most people are saying it's a crock, waste of time, money, and resources. We have our own problems, and don't need to be shipping US dollar out of the US.
It wasn't to you, directly, just the population as a whole. The problem with all the issues in the world is that nobody cares. people need to start caring if anything is going to be done. I know shit happens everywhere, and you wouldn't believe how much easier to make a difference where you are now. This is why I donate my time and energy to the things i do.
I investigated this a little further and what I found was interesting to say the least. Although the intentions are pure and the we all know Kony is evil as fuck, the organization that was formed to stop Kony has only donated 32% of donations to the foundation. The LRA has stopped years ago, and the real issue is with Uganda's own military.
Article 1: http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com.nyud.net/
KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone.
Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.
The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.
Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on supporting African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.
As Chris Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”
Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children supports military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.
Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.
Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.
If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.
~ Grant Oyston, visiblechildren@grantoyston.com
and Article 2: http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/
EDIT ON MARCH 7, 2012: This post was originally written in 2006. As you read and comment, please consider that it has been over 5 years since I wrote my thoughts here. I personally still have the same concerns about IC that I did when I posted this and have chosen not to contribute to their cause. However, Uganda continues to hold a very special place in my heart. When I wrote this article, I supported and I continue to support relief efforts in Uganda through the work of Steve Hoyt at Engineering Ministries International (eMi), an organization with a 4 star rating from Charity Navigator. If you’d like, you can support Steve’s work in Uganda here: https://emisecure.org/donate.html . To learn more about the work that eMi does in Uganda visit http://emiea.org/index.html.
Thanks for continuing to be a part of this important conversation.
James
Original Post:
Invisible Children (IC) swept the university campuses of America last year. The group wanted to mobilize college students to be aware of what happened in Uganda in recent years, the atrocious acts of Joseph Kony and his rebel group, the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA). I heard about Invisible Children for the first time when I was researching Uganda. I was immediately fascinated by their website. It’s very well done, but I noticed one thing. It lacked real information. If you haven’t seen the film or know nothing about their purpose, let me catch you up to speed with my version. Three clueless college kids head to Sudan with no plans and no idea about what they’re going to find. They’re looking for a “story”. They leave Sudan and make their way into Uganda. They find some bad stuff going on there. So they made a MTV-esque DVD about what was happening there. They wanted to draw attention to what they found.
So far, this sounds good. However, there is a major, major problem. I’m going to compare what IC is doing to an analogy that I thought of this past summer when I was Uganda thinking about this issue. Imagine that today you heard about what happened in NYC and Washington DC on September 11, 2001 for the first time. You were shown a video of footage from that day. You saw the planes hit the towers, you heard President Bush’s address, you saw the Pentagon wreckage, you watch in horror as you see people plunge to their death, jumping from the burning towers. Now imagine that you are inspired by this disaster. You want to something to help. What if you went to NYC today, expecting to see piles of rubble to clean up? What if you went, expecting that there would be thousands of people in the streets crying, looking for loved ones? But what would happen when you arrived and discovered that there was none of this, but a whole host of other problems?
And back to Uganda. Uganda is no longer experiencing violence from the LRA. Yes, I said it. It’s an uncomfortable truth, but it is a truth. For about the last year, since before IC hit the scene, Kony and his troops have been pushed into Congo, into the Garamba National Forest there. He’s sick, starving, and on his last legs. For the first time, Uganda is in the middle of real peace talks and the rebels have laid down their arms and are assembling to make peace. Why? This is happening because Joseph Kony was defeated. The Uganda People’s Defense Force (UPDF) has beaten them back and Kony was sitting in Congo starving to death. Since March 2002, the UPDF has been allowed to carry out raids against the LRA into Southern Sudan and has even crossed into Congo, to the distress of most of the African community. Nonetheless, Operation Iron Fist, as this military offensive was called, has freed many child soldiers and sex slaves and brought them back to Uganda. The rebels again became very violent in 2003, but since 2004, the Ugandan government has been repeatedly beating the rebels and weakening them. Uganda is no longer allowed to enter Sudan or Congo to fight the LRA.
Invisible Children was founded in 2004, with the film crew filming in Uganda in 2003. Watching Invisible Children is watching old news. Will watching it alert you to what has occurred in Uganda? Yes, but it will not let you know what is happening there today.
Invisible Children is too late. It has taught us that MTV type media can get university students interested in a world crisis, the problem is it took too much time. Night commuting, outlined as one of the major problems in northern Uganda by the film, is practically non-existent now. Why? Peace is coming to the region. According to UN reports, children who still are commuting at night are not doing it because of safety concerns, but because they want to enjoy the amenities that NGO’s are offering in the towns, like Gulu, Kitgum, and Lira. At the peak of the commuting, there were between 30,000 and 40,000 children commuting. Now, estimates are below 10,000.
The scars of the 20 year conflict are everywhere in northern Uganda. I walked through internally displaced person (IDP) camps. I smelled, I listened, I saw, I touched, I tasted. I experienced Uganda. I saw people whose lives had been radically changed. I placed my hands on a woman whose lips had been cut off by the LRA. I walked with children whose parents had been killed. I sat on the foundation of a hut burned down by the LRA. I talked with people whose relatives had been abducted. I walked over land guarded by the UPDF. The landscape, the people, and the country itself has an immense burden to deal with.
Uganda has problems today. Their government is ridden with corruption. There are people still living in fear in IDP camps, afraid that violence will again return to their land. The education system is inadequate and many do not have the chance to go to school. For those who do work their way through the school system, there is a good chance that there will not be a job for them when they get even a university degree. Why doesn’t anyone want to do something about these problems? Why will thousands of people participate in IC’s Global Night Commute but not take the time to actually find out what is going on in Uganda today?
There have been many inspired to do more than just watch a DVD and sleep downtown for a night. However, that’s where we run into another problem. This summer, IC had a bunch of college students in northern Uganda wasting time and money. There were almost 30 people who were in Uganda this summer connected with IC and even more who were inspired to change the world and fly around it. That also sounds somewhat heart warming. Self centered American kids are flying around the world to change it. The catch is they don’t know what they are doing or where they are going. They are blindly making a problem worse by throwing thousands of dollars at something they don’t understand.
When I traveled into Southern Sudan, you could sense something was different there. There is a greedy spirit there that you can feel. Foreign aid had ruined South Sudan. People do not want to work, they want handouts. An entire generation has been cared for by the UN and other NGO’s. They are fed, clothed, protected, and sent to school without having to do anything. I walked through the market there and saw UNICEF tarps and blankets for sale. I could also buy Samaritan’s Purse shoe-boxes, filled with all sorts of American goodies. I thought back how I thought it was a good idea for me to send a shoebox filled with soap, toothpaste, bouncy balls, and a washcloth to a faraway land. What I realize now is that sending things, whether money, objects, or people to a place that I have no information on is a bad idea.
The problems that Uganda faces today cannot be fixed by hundreds of uneducated Westerners going there to “help”. As you read this article, think about how much you really know about the political situations in Uganda and throughout Africa that contribute to long lasting problems.
Africa as a whole needs to break free from foreign aid. Almost half of Uganda’s yearly budget is made up of foreign aid. I think that many of Uganda’s problems stem from its reliance on foreign support. If you want to read more on that, check out a Ugandan journalist named Andrew Mwenda. The aid to African nations is increasing the corruption there and encouraging these nations to continue this dependence on foreign nations and it does not encourage them to become totally self sufficient. When asked what rich nations should do to help Africa, Mwenda said,
So what is the solution? I’ve now written the first negative article I can find about Invisible Children. I also have suggested that we should think about cutting foreign aid and debt relief to African nations.
If you’ve seen the old news that Uganda has to offer and are disturbed, I encourage you to do some research and find out what is really going on in Uganda. I spent months before I went to Uganda researching the country. I talked to many people on the phone or with Skype, I emailed countless others, I read books, I monitored the news. If you want to find out what the situation is really like, find out. Don’t blindly fly yourself to a developing country like a Western idiot. I would also suggest finding out more about organizations that you support that work in foreign countries. Find out what their relationships are like with the local people and find out how they are grooming local people to take over their group. No aid organization should plan to be somewhere forever. If they do, they are not focused on solving the problem they are there to address.
Do not be fooled by slick video editing. Sleeping outside in downtown Pittsburgh will not help anyone who is still night commuting in northern Uganda. Perhaps you are now aware that there is a problem, perhaps you know that there is more to this world than just your country, your state, and your little hometown. What you may not know is that the US government is not going to get involved if it doesn’t benefit the American people. Remember Rwanda? It is up to you to figure out how to deal with this knowledge and the knowledge that your warm and fuzzy thoughts are not going to be the solution to this.
As of today, Uganda is still in a tedious peace process with the LRA, with both sides accusing each other of violating peace agreements. The good news is that they are still in the peace process and they’re doing it without the help of a foreign country that will attempt to benefit from the talks. Instead, using Rick Machar and South Sudan is helping to build ties with all those in that region. The LRA and the UPDF have now signed a second peace accord and hopefully this one will result in successful peace.
As I have written this over the past couple of months, I’m disappointed that I cannot offer a real solution to this problem. I wish that I had the answers for Uganda and those of you who are interested in doing something to help the people there. Unfortunately, I feel that I have done little more than to highlight problems there and then problems with our response to their problems. I learned so much while I was there, but I still have a lot that I can learn.
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